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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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episode number 449 wohoo 449 almost 450

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I suppose that means something for the

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28th of May 2017 Richard Saunders here

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with you from our delightful Sydney

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Australia but a cloud in the sky not hot

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not cold very nice weather on this

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week's show we're going to look at the

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story just in the last week now the

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movie Baxter which we've discussed on

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the show before is currently touring New

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Zealand now why it is I don't know why

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the producers don't make it free online

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so people can just watch it if they want

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to I don't know it is online anyone who

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can watch it if you'd search for VAX if

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you care to but know they peddle this

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this torrid piece of pretend documentary

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around the regions in different

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countries to drum up support look where

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daring to show you this come and see the

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movie they don't want you to see yada

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yada yada anyway so it's touring New

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Zealand and we're going to bring you via

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the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson the story of dr. Lance

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O'Sullivan who lipped up onstage before

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a screening of VAX t' to protest and lay

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it on the line for those people in the

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audience of his views and opinions of

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this wretched documentary and the harm

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it is doing we have some of the audio of

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that that protest and this is from a

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former New Zealand er of the year a

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protest in the name of science and

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reason to kick off this week's skeptic

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zone following that an update to the

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story we brought you last week of the

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little boy who was rescued by the

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authorities from his parents who I

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didn't seem able or willing to provide

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him with the proper care he was in need

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of and there are storms of protest and

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all sorts of conspiracy theories and

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going on just bring you up to date and

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what's happening with that story and to

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stress we do not name the people

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involved for legal reasons

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I know laws differ from country to

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country but in Australia if the court

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says that you cannot name people

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involved in a case for various legal

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reasons well that's sort of what you do

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then it's brouhaha from Australia

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science got TV this week with Casey

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Harrigan and an interview with Casey

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Harrigan we catch up with one of the

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brouhaha team Casey Harrigan who often

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appears on the skeptic zone we're gonna

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find out what she does at at the

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Australia Science Channel how they make

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brouhaha how they choose their stories a

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great little interview coming up later

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on with Casey Harrigan also this week a

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little report on the mind body wallet oh

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yes I swore I'd never go back well I

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didn't but I've gone so many times now

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stranger things down under Facebook

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group here in Sydney we venture venture

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down into mind body wallet and this year

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it's in a new venue in darling harbour

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in Sydney in a new exhibition centre and

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you go down down the escalators the long

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escalators you descend into the bizarre

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realms of mind body wallet little report

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about that coming up a bit later on then

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to round off the show a little update

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from the Australian skeptics about some

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worrying chiropractic advice or a

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technique which looks like it's being

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recommended by the chiropractic

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authorities it's all about trying to

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change positions of babies in the womb

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and some you'll hear about later on to

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round off this week's show it's called

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the Webster technique now over the last

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couple of days I've been doing a lot of

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walking I've been doing some work down

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in darling harbour here in City which

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requires me to do a lot of walking I

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won't get into that and I was in need of

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something to listen to because there are

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endless skeptical

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us I can recommend the skeptics guide to

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the universe skeptoid I never miss an

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episode of our there's the our friends

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at skepticality there's the European

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outlook it goes on and on and on hello

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Michael Marshall hello everybody who

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does skeptical podcast geo there's so

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many but what I did recently was I

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Harriet hall which we advertise

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frequently on the skeptic zone you'll

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remember this dr. Harriet Hall MD no

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into thousands as the skeptic a retired

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family physician and former Air Force

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flight surgeon she writes about medicine

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medicine science quackery and critical

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thinking Harriet now has a free course a

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series of ten video lectures on

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science-based medicine and alternative

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medicine the videos and an accompanying

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course guide can be found by following

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the link at skip doc info or by visiting

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web Randi's org slash educational -

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modules dot html' ty coded all those

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and a way I went now occasionally

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and pictures and things like that during

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the videos but not often and in fact you

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simply listening the Harriet Hall give

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these lectures and they're really good

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and I think my aim is now to watch them

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or listen to them at least once a year

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to refresh myself lots of good advice

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lots of grounding in good signs there

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from Harriet Hall and I understood a lot

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more after watching and listening to

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these these this series of videos and

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now for me anyway audio so I can

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thoroughly recommend those especially

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well it's enough of me at the moment I'm

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going to run downstairs I'm going to get

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a packet of chicken soup and mix it I

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know I know this is pretty daring stuff

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right now I'm going to mix it with a

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packet of pumpkin soup mm-hmm I know I'm

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going to add a few chili flakes on top

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kind of toast some sourdough bread a

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little bit of butter on that and happily

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feast on that while you feast on the

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sceptic zone it's the raw skeptic report

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hello everyone

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Heidi Robertson here from the Northern

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Rivers vaccination supporters I do

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believe that at the end of my last

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report I said I would hopefully be doing

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another report soon perhaps even non

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things going on this past week that were

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vaccine related that should be reported

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on so there goes that business have no

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doubt heard of the air quotes

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documentary waxed if you haven't here is

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a quick recap and I quote from a TVNZ

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dot co dot NZ article that has reported

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on the story this week quote the film

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faxed is a 2016 American film from

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anti-vaccination activists Dell victory

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and Andrew Wakefield it was widely

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criticized by the scientific community

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upon its release with various reviews

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saying it cherry-picked facts relied on

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unsubstantiated claims and used

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emotional pleas and context-free

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statistics to get its message across

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end quote mr. Andrew Wakefield as you

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recall is the former UK

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gastroenterologist that first proposed a

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link between vaccines and autism with

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the release of a fraudulent study of 12

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children that was later attracted by the

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journal the lancet Wakefield was

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stripped of his medical license when it

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was revealed that he had manipulated

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data and performed unnecessary and

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unethical procedures on children

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including paying their money in order to

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draw blood from them at his son's

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was okay ethically to do that as it

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wasn't a payment of five pounds each to

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the kids it was a quote reward Wakefield

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also stood to gain financially if he

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produced data that showed there were

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the link between the MMR vaccine and

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autism he had already applied for a

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patent for a single measles vaccine in

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preparation for the ensuing storm that

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was about to erupt and he had other

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competing financial conflicts of

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interest that were not disclosed at the

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time and in case there is ask Eric of

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doubt in the minds of anyone it is a

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fact that multiple studies in multiple

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countries covering multiple decades with

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multiple research groups using multiple

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research models and multiple funding

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sources have found no link between

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so with Wakefield's history and

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reputation being shall we say less than

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stellar it is hard to believe how anyone

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seriously okay there is the background

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which I'm sure most of you are already

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well aware of however seeing as the

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time I thought it might be important to

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quote again from TV in 0 NZ dr. Lance

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organisers they are contributing to

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Harker end quote now the Harker for

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overseas listeners who may not have

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heard about it is a traditional war cry

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Blacks performing the haka at the

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beginning of their matches and if you

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haven't I highly recommend you google it

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watch it the haka has evolved since to

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now have several different meanings one

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of these meanings is a triumph of life

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over death which is quite appropriate

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given the content of dr. O'Sullivan

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statements to the people that attended

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this particular screening of the air

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quotes documentary Bakst continuing with

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the article quote dr. O'Sullivan was

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invited to watch along with a number of

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other health professionals but took the

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chance to step onto the stage and share

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his views on the topic he said there is

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absolutely no evidence vaccines cause

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autism and he is concerned for his

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community because immunisation is safe

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and extremely important for children I

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not to watch the film but to continue my

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battle and my challenge for my people

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and importantly for our children Tommy

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internalization has killed tilt around

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kill children who are these parents and

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put off immunisation because of

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misinformation misinformation based on

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life is quite frankly by fraudulent

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people for the article continues dr.

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O'Sullivan has since been criticised for

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his actions on social media with the

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warning against vaccination expectation

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group aka waves who posted quote Tricia

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chill the event organiser was verbally

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attacked bullied and threatened by Lance

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O'Sullivan at the VAX

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screening last night dr. Lance

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O'Sullivan came into the cinema under

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false pretenses of watching the movie

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Lawrence backers who works with

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intellectually handicapped in high needs

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people at Hawke's Bay wrote that dr.

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Sullivan is a farmer [\h__\h] and a

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disgrace to his profession before adding

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New Zealand er of the year my ass end

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quote

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dr. Helen pertussis Harris works at the

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immunisation advisory Center in New

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Zealand is a senior lecturer at the

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University of Auckland and has a PhD in

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vaccinology she was quoted in an article

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on news hub code NZ on the 25th of May

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quote the community needs screenings of

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the manipulative Pro disease film VAX

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like a kick in the guts end quote and

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quote while VAX is a film that will

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well two people who believe that the

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moon landing was filmed in a Hollywood

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basement and reject the warming of the

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planet as a fact it will also scare good

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decent parents who want to do the best

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for their kids this is what makes the

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whole thing stink so badly their

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promoters are so despicable that they

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even targeted Somali refugees in a

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community in u.s. Minnesota with

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devastating consequences now there is a

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measles outbreak and kids are in

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hospital this is not really what we want

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in our New Zealand communities I do not

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believe that showing the film represents

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free speech because all over the country

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the organizers have done everything in

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their power to prevent any challenges

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with covert screenings at Auckland the

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organizers began by issuing a warning to

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the audience that if they wanted to make

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trouble they had people posted

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throughout the theater and quote she

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goes on to say the film in question has

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as much scientific fact in it as a

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b-grade zombie film yet it is so

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manipulative it manages to persuade

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people that it's insidious messages are

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somehow true and quote and further on in

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the article she adds Lance said babies

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will die he is not extremists it is true

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the impact of the anti-vaccination

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movement has been documented for over

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200 years the consequences of the recent

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activity against MMR vaccine have

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included deaths from measles it is

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purely a numbers game about 1 per 1000

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cases will die

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the last outbreak in Auckland 23% of

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cases went to hospital which case number

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will be the one who dies the outbreak

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cost untold millions to manage the world

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is trying to eliminate measles a major

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killer the people who promote VAX

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are trying to fort the efforts does this

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make them Pro measles well yeah and

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again later in the article she says

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quote it must also be highlighted for

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the millionth time the Andrew wait

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filled the director of this film

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falsified data lied performed invasive

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painful procedures on children without

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ethical approval and did not declare

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massive financial conflicts of interest

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he has lost his license to practice

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medicine and remains unsupported by any

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respected expert in either vaccines or

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autism and quote this is not the first

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time that dr. O'Sullivan has stood up

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publicly and condemned the anti

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vaccination crowd in an article by the

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New Zealand Herald last month referring

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to the upcoming screenings of the air

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quotes documentary Bakst he was quoted

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as follows I would really like to know

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what it is they need to hide he said

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adding that waives New Zealand which

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described itself as a charitable

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organisation was not a registered

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charity is it the fact that the director

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of the film Andrew Wakefield is a

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discredited scientist and quote

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Wakefield's 1998 Lancet Research had

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been described by dr. Dennis K Flaherty

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of the University of Charleston as

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having created a public health crisis he

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called his publication quote the most

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damaging medical hoax of the last 100

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years and quote and from the same

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article dr. O'Sullivan again quote last

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year's measles outbreak in the Waikato

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where seventy one of the eighty-nine

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victims had not been vaccinated is a

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good example of how preventable disease

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can take hold in a community he said

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calling on waves New Zealand to quote

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come out of the closet and allow parents

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to make an informed decision all

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children in our community deserve to be

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protected by a best-practice decision

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and best practice means immunizing

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children he said since the events of

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this week and dr. Sullivan's comments

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hit the press he has copped the expected

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online abuse from the anti vaccination

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community including one particularly

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nasty

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winter who brought dr. O'Sullivan's son

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into the argument his son has been

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diagnosed with a progressive muscular

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dystrophy which will tragically

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ultimately result in his death the

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commenter sarcastically asked if there

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was a vaccine for his son's condition

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those of us familiar with the

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anti-vaccination movement will not be

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surprised by such a heartless callous

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comment when the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters heard about dr.

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O'Sullivan's brave statements we wrote

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him an email of support and thanks which

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we hope will go some way towards showing

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him that he has the pro vaccination

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community right behind him and that's

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all from me for this week this has been

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Heidi Robertson from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters WWN our VSD info

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and you can also find us on Facebook and

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Twitter thanks for listening bye for now

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now updating you on this story we

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brought you last week about the little

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boy who was taken by the authorities

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after his parents seemed not to be able

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to give him the proper care required or

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maybe we should say unwilling to give

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him the proper medical attention

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required this update comes to us from

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the news service of the ABC here in

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Australia at ABC met a Yoo by Sarah

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online petition calls for malnourished

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son of anti-vaxxer to be returned home

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supporters of a prominent anti-vaxxer

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who's disabled and malnourished young

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son was taken by family services have

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launched an online petition to have him

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returned documents obtained by the ABC

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show the four-year-old boy whose family

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lives in Newcastle was severely underfed

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and was at imminent risk of serious harm

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the mother of the boy has been feeding

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her son a cannabis oil and plant-based

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diet and missed crucial medical

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appointments the documents show

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supporters say the boy's mother has been

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treated as a criminal for feeding him

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naturally and the petition has been

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signed by 23,000 people emergency

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physician dr. Sula Raji

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said the case highlights the dangers of

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when anti-vaxxer groups prey on families

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who are desperate quote what I'm seeing

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is a vulnerable family who need a lot of

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support with a very disabled child who

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have somehow fallen into the arms of the

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anti-vaccination movement men quote dr.

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Laura she said she said a battle is now

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being waged between the family of the

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boy who has cerebral palsy and the

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public health system quote

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it seems to be that the child is getting

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thinner and thinner and the family seems

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to be rejecting the standard medical

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treatment that has kept him relatively

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healthy all these years and quote she

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said dr. Laura she said it was the

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online anti-vaxxer community that had

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fueled debate over the young boy's

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health quote it's very easy as you know

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on social media to stir up hysteria

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they're constantly urging people to

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share and spread messages around em

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quote a video filmed in the boys home on

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Friday seen by the ABC shows police

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officers and Family Services officials

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waiting to take him away quote I've

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spoken to the girls from the New South

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Wales Department of Family and Community

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Services what they would like to see

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happen is the family puts the child in

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the back of the car in quote a police

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officer says in the video the mother is

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heard saying in response quote you are

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and you will leave you're not taking my

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child over my dead body

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unquote the spokesman from family and

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community services would not comment on

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the case only confirming there was a

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child safety incident on Friday and that

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skeptical friends this is cleric Lamberg

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co-organizer of the european skeptics

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congress 2017 this year the Congress

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will be held in broad South Poland on

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September 22nd to 24th and is my

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attend come and listen to talks by James

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discuss topics like science and religion

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to science and media paranormal

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investigation and more to buy a ticket

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and to get more information by the

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Congress go to Euroskeptics con org or

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[Music]

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and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's Science Channel

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it's brouhaha with Casey Harrigan and

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[Music]

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iceberg the sides of Kangaroo Island is

576
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dangling by a mere thread from the

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continent of Antarctica about to be

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ripped off and set free well by mere

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thread I mean 20 kilometers of ice and

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by ripped off and set free

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I mean gently drift off into the ocean

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but it's impending departure from

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mainland still prompts a lot of

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questions like well we need to redraw

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our Maps

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sort of maths that include our shelves

587
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will need to be adjusted but our records

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are the actual landmass of the continent

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are in good shape will the iceberg make

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sea levels rise not directly but as the

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bird drifts away we'll find out how

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stable the ice shelf that leaves behind

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really is if sea levels do rise it'll be

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because the glacier behind the iceberg

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is exposed and degrades more rapidly and

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the biggest question of all should we

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tie this iceberg to Australia and tap it

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for fresh water no we shouldn't but over

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the years this idea has really had a way

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of capturing people's imagination and

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that's how it's going to stay

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realistically we won't be buying

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overpriced bottles of fresh Antarctica

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iceberg water this summer

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[Music]

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yes that was KZ Harrigan with this

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week's brouhaha and joining me on the

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line from Australia science TV it's

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Kasey Harrigan in person hello Casey

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color Richard are you I'm really well

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it's really nice to talk with you

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because I've seen thank you I've seen

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all the videos the brouhaha is a

614
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wonderful video series and my listeners

615
00:31:24,850 --> 00:31:23,840
of course probably watch the videos but

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certainly here

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00:31:30,790 --> 00:31:28,190
brouhaha every week it's you giving

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little snippets of sites together with

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Ben Lewis of course Kelly Wong and ten

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yemaja

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well let's let's little get to a little

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bit about you what's your involvement

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exactly with the Australia Science

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Channel yeah as of right now I'm a

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contributing editor and producer sorry I

626
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:50,750
look after on Australia Science Channel

627
00:31:56,170 --> 00:31:53,390
I look after all things the body so all

628
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things you know health medicine wellness

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even things like wearable technology

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done nothing anything to do with the

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human body and I also look after a

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culture so I've got a real interest in

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science fiction and you know the

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connection of art and science but then

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also you know society and science and

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politics and and all those sort of

637
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social issues as well so yeah so I kind

638
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of curate those channels in tribute to

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them as well and then I'm a producer so

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I'm kind of under the beck and call of

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myself and my colleagues to just make

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you know make as much great client

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content and you know show off as many

644
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science field stories as we can first

645
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rally and with the team there that the

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four of you doing the brouhaha how do

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you how do you choose your story I mean

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you look at a range of stories that have

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come up in the week do all of you do

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that and think to yourself I'll have

651
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this one or I'll do this one um not

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exactly I wonder what would you like to

653
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,620
be a fly on the wall to some about

654
00:32:58,450 --> 00:32:57,440
brouhaha brainstorms but aren't

655
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basically we just all get together

656
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wherever we are we're either in the

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office or man with just how to

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adequately all have to be together we

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just authorized Diaz out and sometimes

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00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:08,570
what happens really fast sometimes but

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00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:10,730
things happen and we just go we've just

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got a cover that there was one a little

663
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:13,620
while ago one of my favor

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it's an iconic sub laughing for the

665
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whole thing was on this term drug

666
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smugglers like I'm laughing now

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00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:23,640
backpacks on there and we just learned

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that the very haha that was such a

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no-brainer super fast right description

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quickly all came together and apart from

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once we got through one where I wasn't

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laughing so hard that it was

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unintelligible then we were gone um but

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I'll tell you what sometimes those

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conversations take a long time and we go

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through lots and lots of stories and we

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00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:46,440
throw things out and we workshop it for

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00:33:50,660 --> 00:33:48,540
a little while and we just go look at

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the great story and we're all very

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interested in it but it's just a lot of

681
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:54,570
brouhaha and then we you know move on to

682
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the next line and then maybe we come

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00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,059
back to one we've already talked about

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and yeah often those discussions are

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really quite long and grueling but

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they're also really satisfying at the

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end where you go all that time all those

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stories that were you know false starts

689
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it can actually be really started trying

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00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:15,899
to get to the end and go are we've got

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00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:17,070
it we've got a really great for

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00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:18,780
different people these week so this week

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sorry so it's a real mix anywhere

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00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:23,879
between that's the one let's do it to

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you know continued a bit of a stiff

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drink after the office conversation

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because it's just being quite grueling

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00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:33,450
right but it's always fun yeah to have

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those discussions and just talk about

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all the weird and wonderful fancy stuff

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00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:38,730
that's been happening I bet it is now

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00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:41,220
for the people who just listen to you by

703
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:44,700
the skeptics own podcast I always say in

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00:34:48,379 --> 00:34:46,020
the little introduction I've done it

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00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:48,389
from direct from the cafe if you watch

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00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:50,550
the videos folks of course there's Casey

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and her friends Ben Tania and Kelly with

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the backdrop of an actual cafe and

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00:34:59,420 --> 00:34:57,720
you're standing there presenting to

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camera with the people getting coffees

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00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:01,740
behind you what's that recording process

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00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:04,590
like do you have an auto prompt or do

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00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:07,220
you memorize it or how does that work

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yes

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I don't know anyone's question many

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people but that's all green screen so we

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00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:16,140
go out and we shoot those backgrounds or

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00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:19,650
different cafes so what they are they

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00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:21,120
are the cafe artists released by

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charlatans we've got our few local

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00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:24,960
favorite but unfortunately we don't have

722
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an on-site

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00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:29,170
well we've got a green screen

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permanently set up we've got a studio

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00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:34,200
family set up we do have a teleprompter

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00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,600
so we yeah we write our own scripts so

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00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:40,000
that they're in our voice and but we all

728
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do pitch in and have a have a quick read

729
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:45,460
yeah basically one for Hardy with the

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scripts not too long it's got a few you

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know maybe a few offbeat things in it a

732
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:52,870
few provocative things in it yeah we

733
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:54,850
just hit we hit our studios turn the

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00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:57,940
lights on turn the cameras on and go for

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00:36:02,780 --> 00:35:59,730
it and just really try and focus on

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00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,790
giving the best and most authentic

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00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:04,720
performance is probably the wrong word

738
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really are charge us be ourselves yeah

739
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:11,220
yeah just give them mice energetic um

740
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:14,410
kind of delivery that we can so yeah

741
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:16,840
yeah it was a good good farm you could

742
00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:19,810
head down from Studio well folks if you

743
00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:23,080
haven't if you haven't seen Casey and

744
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:24,580
her friends actually perform well

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00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:27,250
perform deliver present I probably

746
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:29,770
should say present there's probably the

747
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:32,020
best word it's a lot there's a little

748
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:33,490
bit of performance in all that sort of

749
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:36,850
stuff if you go to Australia Science dot

750
00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:39,970
TV you can you can see Breuer are lots

751
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:41,980
of other things to which the channel is

752
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:45,190
doing which is fantastic and the skeptic

753
00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:46,630
son is very pleased to have a long

754
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:49,000
association now with what you're doing

755
00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:50,710
there through a week in science a few

756
00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:53,070
years ago all the way through now to

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00:37:00,690 --> 00:36:56,920
brouhaha and I hope one day I can visit

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00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:00,700
the Australia's science TV in person

759
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,610
again and we'll find a cafe a day what

760
00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:06,400
we'll find a cafe and we'll do it and

761
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:09,940
we'll have a real brouhaha then but for

762
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:12,990
now Casey wonderful to chat with you and

763
00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:16,000
please give our regards to all your

764
00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:17,260
fellow presenters who do such a

765
00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:20,020
wonderful job certainly well thanks

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00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:20,750
Richard

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[Music]

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00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:26,280
for more brouhaha and Australian science

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[Music]

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00:37:43,860 --> 00:37:40,290
[Applause]

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calling all skeptics or listeners the UF

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because the Glasgow skeptics

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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I'm coming to you from the middle the

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center the epicenter ground zero of mind

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body spirit or mind body wallet is

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recalled and of course I'm here with

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these stranger things down under group

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milling around it's really crowded mind

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body while it is absolutely crowd of

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this year really I think because it's

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moved back into the center of the city

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from out in the suburbs or it was and

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00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:27,960
this year they've made it free so a lot

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of people a lot of more people here than

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would normally be here

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so that the Rose it's quite a big area

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and all the roads are absolutely crowded

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like a little human traffic jam

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we're passing lots a really good stuff

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it's worth coming to mind body wallet

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for the fantastic stuff Trish from our

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group even bought some incredibly

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delicious ginger beer and there's some

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stuff some lovely food any all sorts of

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things

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there's ilithyia's here with me Trish

821
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:00,540
Lara and Jessica are all milling around

822
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:04,110
lots of jewelry to buy of course but we

823
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:06,530
have been passing things like earthing

824
00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:10,260
you can I'm not sure the idea is you

825
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,550
make connection with the earth through

826
00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:13,140
bare feet or special mats that you have

827
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:15,870
to buy and imbalances you somehow we

828
00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:19,760
pass various Reiki people what's this a

829
00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:26,530
lots of food here you got all that looks

830
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:30,620
nice so oh it's a bookstore

831
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:31,820
[Music]

832
00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:34,130
I was passing the live demonstration of

833
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:37,100
cooking at the moment so what a mixture

834
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:39,650
mind body wallet is every year what a

835
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:44,810
mixture but that doesn't excuse the the

836
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:47,410
anti-science the rampant anti science

837
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:50,630
the questionable medical products and so

838
00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:54,470
on this that we can find i will real

839
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:01,830
goodness me the science the incredible

840
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:03,640
science we've seen here incredible is

841
00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:06,700
one way to say new Chinese Health Center

842
00:41:12,830 --> 00:41:09,600
we're just passing by it self adhesive

843
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:12,840
moxa a plant wormwood

844
00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:17,220
mugwort can change your future it's very

845
00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:20,620
interesting we've lost some of our party

846
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:22,360
because they've got sort of waylaid at

847
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:26,280
various stand selling weird water and

848
00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:29,110
spinal checks and spinal taps and I

849
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,830
don't know what somehow made it almost

850
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:35,920
through to the other end with Lara do we

851
00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:37,750
stop and look at some of the stands

852
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:39,840
along the way

853
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:42,660
funny smells in the end senses smoke and

854
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:45,270
I don't know what's going well there is

855
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:47,910
a cafe we've discovered the cafe we were

856
00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:49,410
looking for that before so there is a

857
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:55,890
we got one more row to go but we might

858
00:42:01,160 --> 00:41:58,810
tell you all go round this corner so

859
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,170
many people here

860
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:05,040
mostly having a good time I see

861
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:07,770
there's Roxanne an old friend of mine so

862
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:12,599
to speak Feng Shui laws with Roxanne yes

863
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:15,839
she is I see the same people here after

864
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:18,359
you well-being magazine I think I'll

865
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,740
[Music]

866
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:29,280
it's a welcome break here at mind-body

867
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:31,290
wallet I'm with Jessica and Lara we've

868
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:33,030
discovered copy Lara

869
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,710
which is very welcome at the moment

870
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:36,780
because we have to wash out the water

871
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:39,170
the was it alkaline water or something I

872
00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:41,550
know there was five different types of

873
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:43,980
water Richard they had an electrolysis

874
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:48,240
machine cost close to $6,000 is it look

875
00:42:52,339 --> 00:42:50,280
apparently everybody in Japan has yes

876
00:42:56,349 --> 00:42:52,349
just they clean their floors with it

877
00:42:58,819 --> 00:42:56,359
yeah yeah and they split the water into

878
00:43:00,559 --> 00:42:58,829
basically that turns into an acid and an

879
00:43:01,819 --> 00:43:00,569
alkali simultaneously although if you

880
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:01,829
don't want it amount to strong you can

881
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:03,990
just remove this slightly dubious

882
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:05,940
looking tray which apparently put some

883
00:43:08,839 --> 00:43:07,530
chemicals in but actually doesn't I

884
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:08,849
don't know they would they were

885
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:10,230
contradicting themselves every couple of

886
00:43:13,099 --> 00:43:11,250
seconds

887
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,109
and the references were constantly

888
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,000
looking up on YouTube what was amazing

889
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:17,520
this YouTube is the definitive place to

890
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:19,470
go for science education which he needs

891
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:21,300
to do because honestly it was really

892
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,730
wanting me otherwise with my h2 diatomic

893
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:26,160
hydrogen which is just hydrogen that's

894
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:27,960
just hydrogen gas and he said that

895
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:28,920
there's bubbles but then he said

896
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:30,930
dissolved if you dissolve the diatomic

897
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:32,580
hydrogen you basically got h plus you've

898
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,380
got ions dissolved in solute they're two

899
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:36,000
different things

900
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:38,010
any kids yeah I mean he kept saying it

901
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:40,410
wasn't dangerous but the pH was so high

902
00:43:44,180 --> 00:43:42,630
and so low that I really think it would

903
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:44,190
be interesting to think it would be -

904
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:45,750
yeah Trish did too but I doubt the

905
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:48,330
Machine does anything that it's claimed

906
00:43:52,460 --> 00:43:50,700
the claims being made and Jessica what

907
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,470
have you discovered what Joy's have you

908
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:54,660
discovered here well I can I'm going to

909
00:43:59,290 --> 00:43:56,280
pass something that seems to claim it

910
00:44:02,780 --> 00:43:59,300
can change your DNA which interesting

911
00:44:04,339 --> 00:44:02,790
unlikely but mostly as always the

912
00:44:05,540 --> 00:44:04,349
crystals of the best part for me they're

913
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:05,550
so beautiful they don't do any of the

914
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:07,130
stuff they claim to do I bought some

915
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:10,380
iron pyrite and iron pyrite sort of egg

916
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:11,970
looking thing for a friend I thought it

917
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:14,460
was very pretty but it claims to be an

918
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:16,050
excellent energy shield I don't know

919
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:17,640
what that means

920
00:44:23,989 --> 00:44:21,480
energy stimulate the flow of ideas helps

921
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,999
with planning boost self-worth and

922
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:26,640
accelerates mental activity I could do

923
00:44:30,229 --> 00:44:27,660
with some of that right now while I

924
00:44:32,509 --> 00:44:30,239
finish my assignment later today it's

925
00:44:34,339 --> 00:44:32,519
all worth it you see but well what a big

926
00:44:35,989 --> 00:44:34,349
turnout I mean I I've been coming to

927
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:35,999
this funny fair for many many years and

928
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:36,930
I think this is one of the biggest

929
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:39,180
turnouts I've ever seen so there you go

930
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:40,920
there are people there are people who

931
00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:42,690
are interested in the new age still

932
00:44:47,479 --> 00:44:45,630
honestly that the turnouts so big it's

933
00:44:49,009 --> 00:44:47,489
almost a little bit stressful there's so

934
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:49,019
many people here like I feel like this

935
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:50,339
is supposed to be where you go to feel

936
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:53,130
really calm and chill or I don't know

937
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:55,049
something positive and good energy blah

938
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:56,700
blah blah but mostly it's just a lot of

939
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,460
people bumping into my shoulders a lot

940
00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:01,140
of bumping into people today what we'll

941
00:45:05,749 --> 00:45:03,390
finish our coffees and we might be able

942
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:05,759
to find ilithyia and Trish who are lost

943
00:45:10,249 --> 00:45:08,460
somewhere it was wrong where are they

944
00:45:12,529 --> 00:45:10,259
they're doing a hearing test they're

945
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:12,539
doing I didn't know that but I don't

946
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:13,950
know if it's a pseudoscience hearing

947
00:45:17,539 --> 00:45:15,569
tests or a real one that's just you know

948
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:17,549
come along here for the business I might

949
00:45:20,539 --> 00:45:19,079
be wrong they look like the hearing test

950
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:20,549
was legitimate but they were trying to

951
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,230
sell something which could improve your

952
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:24,480
hearing I might be wrong on that well

953
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:27,910
I've got a below we'll find out soon

954
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:36,550
well you've heard Escape from Alcatraz

955
00:45:41,050 --> 00:45:38,810
we've escaped from mind body wallet oh

956
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:41,060
hello Lara's bought me a lovely dessert

957
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:44,330
here is a cool let me open this up were

958
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:45,800
you sitting here in darling harbour and

959
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:48,140
some of the cafes and oh it's a little

960
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:51,350
caramel tart it looks amazing

961
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,530
Merry Christmas indeed so Trish and

962
00:45:59,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Olivia you left us to go to hear a

963
00:46:02,700 --> 00:45:59,570
fascinating talk what was that like I

964
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:02,710
was called the art of Oracle reading and

965
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:05,030
honor was napping there were like at

966
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:06,770
least six or seven people actually

967
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:09,410
asleep and we were struggling it was

968
00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:13,730
such a Content free talk by a very nice

969
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:17,000
lady with a soothing voice that was

970
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:18,650
absolutely gorgeous but you still just

971
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:22,130
think oh can you can you not so with

972
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:24,050
this very hypnotic quality to her voice

973
00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:26,630
that made it very hard to stay awake

974
00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:29,360
during the nothing she was saying for a

975
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:33,320
lot everyone in there was already a

976
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:35,420
witch of some sort they already had an

977
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:37,610
oracle card decked and they they already

978
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:40,310
had altars in their home it was the

979
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:41,690
assumption that was the assumption of

980
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:43,369
what she'll assume about arms it does

981
00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:45,290
accept us I didn't realize that was the

982
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:47,300
difference between Tarot and Oracle but

983
00:46:52,359 --> 00:46:49,310
it seems like there's a little bit of a

984
00:46:55,390 --> 00:46:52,369
err yeah yeah regarded as being darker

985
00:46:57,820 --> 00:46:55,400
doesn't it like tarot is dark with evil

986
00:46:58,060 --> 00:46:57,830
the energy I wasn't to wear but there

987
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,070
you go

988
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Star has death cards and they don't

989
00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:02,810
always mean death remember it could be

990
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:05,180
the change of the career or what was

991
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:06,290
here the other thing they talked about

992
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,090
the death of a bad habit that was one

993
00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:10,880
thing I've seen brought up it's all good

994
00:47:15,820 --> 00:47:13,700
it's all good well I'm pleased that I

995
00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:15,830
said I wouldn't come back to mind body

996
00:47:18,849 --> 00:47:17,270
wallet this year but I did and I'm

997
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:18,859
pleased I did actually it's recharge the

998
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:21,410
battery somewhat so would you generally

999
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:24,080
recommend mind body wallet I think every

1000
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:27,340
skeptic should go at least once to

1001
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:31,160
engage with what we're is and I think

1002
00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:34,550
that's why we've come but apart from a

1003
00:47:39,970 --> 00:47:37,100
lot of oh and there was a lot of work

1004
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:39,980
there's also some genuinely nice little

1005
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:41,710
stalls during food

1006
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:44,410
no hearing tested by a legit hearing

1007
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:46,510
testing company and I got some amazing

1008
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:50,710
ginger staff like yeah I do yeah is it

1009
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,010
in fact I think looking that's my lemon

1010
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:55,599
lime and ginger drink there's it's

1011
00:47:59,640 --> 00:47:57,490
lovely stuff so yeah I think the general

1012
00:48:01,950 --> 00:47:59,650
consensus is skeptics go to a mind body

1013
00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:01,960
wallet absolutely any on so much not

1014
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,670
only about what's going on but about

1015
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:05,920
yourself as well like some people can go

1016
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:08,290
along and just be silent and just listen

1017
00:48:11,970 --> 00:48:09,369
and some people can be a bit

1018
00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:11,980
antagonistic and it's all about testing

1019
00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:13,300
yourself seeing whether you're capable

1020
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:16,780
of being a well I pretended to be vegan

1021
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:18,670
for a good five seconds I'll have you

1022
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:22,270
know look thank you stranger things down

1023
00:48:26,730 --> 00:48:24,730
under for having me along with you if

1024
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:26,740
your mind body welded experience and I

1025
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:28,300
look forward to the neat that's all

1026
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:29,650
right I look forward to the next

1027
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:32,290
stranger things adventure next weekend

1028
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:36,110
Oh ghosts right

1029
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:48,820
hi this is Ben Radford and this is

1030
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,450
Pascual Romero from the squaring the

1031
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:52,640
strange podcast every week my co-host

1032
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:54,530
and I cast a skeptical eye at a

1033
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:56,930
different topic monsters ghosts demons

1034
00:49:00,940 --> 00:48:58,850
mysteries and even current events are

1035
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:00,950
dissected and discussed with a fun

1036
00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:02,990
unscripted and skeptical take that

1037
00:49:07,210 --> 00:49:04,760
you're sure to enjoy - is squaring

1038
00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:07,220
strange comm iTunes or on your favorite

1039
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:20,640
[Music]

1040
00:49:25,059 --> 00:49:22,790
here's another update from the

1041
00:49:28,299 --> 00:49:25,069
Australian skeptics website at skeptics

1042
00:49:30,849 --> 00:49:28,309
calm today you written by Tim Mendham is

1043
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:30,859
a busy man published on the 23rd of May

1044
00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:36,400
2017 experimental Webster technique

1045
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:40,599
approved by Chiropractic Australia

1046
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:43,369
chiropractic is in the news again or

1047
00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:46,910
should that be still in the news the ABC

1048
00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:48,140
radio nationals

1049
00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:51,020
the world today program ran a piece on

1050
00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:53,900
chiropractors who are still advertising

1051
00:49:58,930 --> 00:49:56,180
their provision of the Webster technique

1052
00:50:01,240 --> 00:49:58,940
to pregnant women in defiance of

1053
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:01,250
warnings from the chiropractic board and

1054
00:50:06,910 --> 00:50:04,730
the College of Obstetricians to stop it

1055
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:06,920
the Webster technique is used by

1056
00:50:13,089 --> 00:50:10,790
chiropractors to quote adjust when quote

1057
00:50:15,970 --> 00:50:13,099
the spines of pregnant women to quote

1058
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:15,980
assure normal delivery unquote and to

1059
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:18,890
prevent breech birth caused by quote

1060
00:50:24,609 --> 00:50:22,250
intrauterine constraint include it

1061
00:50:27,609 --> 00:50:24,619
involves turning the baby within the

1062
00:50:31,059 --> 00:50:27,619
womb according to the website Cairo base

1063
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:31,069
quote this dubious treatment is based on

1064
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:33,950
the equally dubious theory that vertical

1065
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:36,950
subluxations can cause malfunction in

1066
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:39,170
the uterus by putting pressure on spinal

1067
00:50:43,780 --> 00:50:41,630
nerves reliance on the Webster technique

1068
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:43,790
during the final weeks of pregnancy can

1069
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,670
endanger both the mother and the child

1070
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:49,520
end quote in his interview with radio

1071
00:50:54,370 --> 00:50:51,650
national the national president of

1072
00:50:56,410 --> 00:50:54,380
chiropractic Australia rod Bonello

1073
00:50:59,620 --> 00:50:56,420
said that this practice by chiropractors

1074
00:51:04,059 --> 00:50:59,630
is okay because the Webster technique is

1075
00:51:06,339 --> 00:51:04,069
an quote experiment in quote the Webster

1076
00:51:08,609 --> 00:51:06,349
technique quote should be regarded as an

1077
00:51:11,049 --> 00:51:08,619
experimental technique in quote he said

1078
00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:11,059
quote there are many treatments in

1079
00:51:14,980 --> 00:51:12,230
health care across all health

1080
00:51:17,319 --> 00:51:14,990
professions where the evidence is either

1081
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:17,329
very thin or non-existent and yet

1082
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:19,250
practitioners still see value in this

1083
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:21,890
technique banquet later in the interview

1084
00:51:25,090 --> 00:51:24,290
banila said that the problem is that

1085
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:25,100
chiropractor

1086
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:26,930
have not updated their advertising

1087
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,170
websites last year campaigner Ken

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MacLeod alerted the Australian health

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practitioner regulation agency and the

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chiropractic Board of Australia to more

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than 100 websites advertising the

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technique he says it's not just an issue

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of the practitioners not updating their

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website quote it's that the board

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doesn't know and doesn't care if the

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chiropractors are performing the Webster

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technique but as long as they don't

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admit to it on their websites

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imagine a major airline saying we don't

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know if our pilots are flying below the

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lowest safe altitudes and don't care as

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long as they don't talk about it

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Manolos comments were flippant and

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possibly dangerous and quote McLeod says

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quote his experiment is outside of

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strictly controlled clinical trials

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there's no control group no ethics

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approval no adverse reactions register

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in his experiment and the chiropractic

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board has never implemented the required

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adverse reactions register for

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chiropractors further chiropractors are

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advertising the Webster technique as a

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safe and effective technique not as an

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experiment this brings in Australian

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Consumer Law as chiropractors in the

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board are engaging in misleading and

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deceptive conduct in quote McLeod says

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he is yet to hear back from the AHPRA or

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CBA quote another reason for a Senate

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inquiry into chiropractic in quote he

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and that I played comes to us from the

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website of Australian skeptics skeptics

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calm a you

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and you'll notice that there are

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certainly a lot of sceptical conventions

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and conferences and all sorts of things

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coming up well for the rest of the year

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everywhere from Poland to New York to

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Las Vegas to right here in Sydney with

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the Australian skeptics National

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Convention later in November more news

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about that of course over the next few

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months and in a few weeks I'll be

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looking forward to seeing all my friends

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and skeptics and fans at the Northeast

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Conference of science and skepticism I

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have never been to New York before so

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I'm really looking forward to that and

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lucky me I get to spend a couple of days

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in Connecticut before the event and in

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something as an aside about me I am

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actually very interested in American

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history I find it quite fascinating

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going back to the Revolution

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pre-revolution and some of the

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characters the founding fathers and the

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goings-on of that time period so it'll

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be really interesting for me to be sort

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of amongst some of the the early history

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of the United States but then again I

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find historical things pretty

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00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:45,020
interesting in general and I must say as

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the years have gone by the access that

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we all have to information regardless of

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00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:53,870
what it is but in my case the finding

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00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,270
out about history is just increased so

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many folds it's ridiculous

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00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:01,220
good old YouTube is awash with quality

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documentaries on on history really good

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00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:07,280
stuff BBC documentaries stuff from PBS

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in the States it's a made I mean there's

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00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:11,450
a lot of rubbish on YouTube of course a

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00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:15,530
lot of conspiracy theory rat bags and

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00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:18,290
nut cases and man whatever but there's

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00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:22,430
so much good stuff for education right

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00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:24,320
sometimes wonder what it would have been

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like if I had access to all this stuff

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when I was going through high school

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maybe I would have done better before I

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leave you I noticed that his new bunga

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00:55:38,110 --> 00:55:35,090
bunga podcast out by Maynard and Tim

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00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:38,120
Ferguson at Maynard comdataís you they

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00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:40,310
record that in the Madame frou frou cafe

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in glebe

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we Point Road this is not an ad for the

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cafe but I often find myself there to do

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00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:48,860
work on the skeptic zone or write

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00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:51,170
reports or whatever having a wonderful

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00:55:58,360 --> 00:55:55,370
coffee it's it's a nice little cafe with

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00:56:00,010 --> 00:55:58,370
with friendly staff and always lots of

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00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:00,020
laughs and it's great to catch up with

1184
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:02,660
men are the Madame frou frou cafe maybe

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00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:05,510
I should make this a commercial in fact

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00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:08,630
one of my one of my little pleasures in

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00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:10,220
life is to go there and have a nice flat

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00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:12,050
white coffee and they always make

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00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,330
wonderful coffee out for me and a couple

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00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:16,880
of slices of peanut butter toast oh yeah

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00:56:21,310 --> 00:56:18,200
well I'm going to think about that for

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00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:21,320
the next week and but until then this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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skeptic zone podcast visit our website

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